Tired of quoting every instance your seem to be incorrect about your observations about SOC. Look I get it you joined SOC with an assumption you could make some kind of income simply retailing the product and for some reason have come to the conclusion it wasn't going to work for you. I don't know of any MLM that a person can simply come in retail a product or service and make a comfortable residual income (If someone reading this or knows of anyone doing it I will be happy to acknowledge them). I think what I have an issue with is the fact in one breath you say your not bashing SOC and in other instances you acknowledge that SOC is doing the right thing, but your comments seem to just portray the opposite.
My "disappointment" with the SOC comp plan is that I could not increase my residual over-rides without sponsoring. I did acquire about 20 customers working part-time and only began to investigate the comp plan at that point when I asked myself the question, "How can I earn more money?" Turns out it was only by recruiting and sponsoring distributors rather than just selling product.
I'd be curious to know which of my observations about SOC are factually wrong. Those customers I collected were back in 2005 or 2006 so it's not a case of starting SOC in 2010 and opting out. I've been familiar with that business for years. I realize that some may not like the way I characterize or describe them but I would assert that that does not make them wrong. This is exactly the issue I've had in this thread and why I eventually started to criticize some aspects of SOC and suggested that wherever you shine you flashlight of investigation you are going to find warts.
GMarsh wrote:For example your own words.... "when in fact there is a secondary or hidden requirement to buy postage to be able to use your product." Hidden cost???? are you serious???? I guarantee you it is well documented that SOC doesn't provide FREE postage! So your comment of "hidden costs' just floors me as though SOC is hiding this from everyone. Give me a break!
Perhaps "hidden" was a bad choice of words. I was simply pointing out that the cost of that business doesn't stop with the autoship because the autoship is virtually worthless without the expense of postage. I've seen pretty much all the marketing videos and they all mention the low monthly cost of $31 to be in business. I didn't mean at all that SOC tries to hide the cost; I meant that the end-user will always have
that ancillary expense; it's NOT EVEN OPTIONAL unless you want to send just a few cards per month with brownies to use up your autoship points, i.e. The Brownie Miracle.
GMarsh wrote:Then you go on and describe a scenario about a professional woman who forgets the postage expense in a bid as some sort of way oTf backing up your comment that the postage was hidden.
Terry said that no one forgets that you have to buy postage. This woman runs a marketing company and has used SOC before. I saw that painful example as a contradiction to Terry's simplistic assertion that no one forgets postage. The perspective of that story is that of the User not the company.
GMarsh wrote:Then you go on to say "Another way to avoid buying all those stamps is to use some of your points on over-priced (JMHO) gifts." again you say SOC's "over-priced" gifts??? Again where is your proof they are overpriced? Please provide an example to back this statement up. Someone reading this may believe your convoluted comments as fact so I am here to resolve that!
That was just an after-thought about anyone making a judgment about something being over-priced. Good for the goose, good for the gander, right?
Earl Nightengale's "The Strangest Secret" is $20.15 at SOC and $13.59 at Amazon. Both would have to add shipping and handling which I assume would be comparable.
GMarsh wrote:If anyone is building SOC as a business and not trying to be a retail success story, they don't just use the monthly points for sending cards, when someone sends a free card or two through the FREE demo process those points for those FREE cards plus the postage comes out of the affiliates expense account for the postage and points. Again you would probably say this is a hidden cost to someone considering SOC. Also who says anyone building a successful business only pays the minimum requirements. I average $100-$150 a month in personal volume for additional points and postage building my business.
No I wouldn't say that at all because it is entirely optional to offer that and one has to deliberately set it up in order for it to be offered, right? There is no way it can be hidden because one has to deliberately opt for it and set it up. Please don't be putting words in my mouth!
GMarsh wrote:I really do think its a mindset you have that a business needs to have a low monthly requirement and I only base this assumption on what you say "One of the selling points about SOC has always been the low monthly requirement" out of all your comments about SOC and this being the fact your saying is a key selling point? The fact is there are many many more key factors for considering SOC!
Again, I will just point out that I am the one in an "allegedly" expensive business. Terry seems set on toppling my ship because the product can be purchased cheaper elsewhere, so I countered with some generally unrecognized cost factors about SOC that bring them closer together in reality. He's the one saying cheaper is better, not me.
GMarsh wrote:As I have said from my original response to you I could careless about your other business and anything about what others and you have exchanged in this thread I am here simply to rebut your obvious issues with SOC. So until you stop making these ridiculous comments, or have factual examples to prove them I will continue informing those reading this thread what is correct.
Where am I factually wrong? They do pay those bonuses? That book does cost that much?
At least twice I've said in this thread the SOC, better than any company in this industry, delivers on the industry promise of a comparable product for less cost. Of course, I'm talking about any of the basic cards. The basic card is a great value and the fulfillment makes it particularly valuable.
I don't have obvious issues with SOC; I'm just pointing out some stuff about SOC that seem to fulfill some of the criticisms being made about my company. Good for the goose; good for the gander.
GMarsh wrote:Also you made a comment to TSynder about the $59 option "How many of those have you sold? Why do people not take it more often? Is there a profit motive there? Sell 3 and Your System is FREE." The reason people don't take it more often is because they are limited in their ability to affectively market SOC and gain the full potential of the compensation available to someone serious about creating a residual income with SOC. Coming in to SOC at $59 would be like a carpenter going to work for a construction company with no tool belt! Then you say Sell 3 your system is FREE. (No question mark after that so you can't claim your asking it as a question so its a statement and this is incorrect. There is NO COMMISSION paid on the $59 option, nothing zilch!!!
I know all that. Ask Terry. He's the one that brought it up as some kind of defense of SOC. My chant of "3 and Free" is a reminder of one reason why people don't opt for the $59 start-up. There's no quick money in selling it and your business-building is handicapped.
GMarsh wrote:Can you explain "You cannot just compare everything to the single best feature of SOC and dismiss them when they fall short." fall short? fall short of what?
Our product was criticized because it's not the cheapest on the market. It was contrasted with the basic SOC cards. He referred to a combo of a GoDaddy website plus AWeber autoresponder at $15/month or so he asserted. Aweber is $19/month and the simplest GoDaddy website runs $4.95 monthly., so we are up to $24.95 at the get-go, instead of $15. That is Terry's mindset not mine.
GMarsh wrote:Seriously you need to let go of SOC, you have admitted that it was not for you and stop trying to tear SOC down to make your current business more or less legitimate, because quite frankly its very unprofessional in my humble opinion! Why can you not defend your current business on its own merits vs. trying to compare it to SOC???
I'm not tearing it down; I'm likewise pointing up some of the seamy side that is so joyously done for my business.
I've know these things about SOC for years. I never started a thread about it. I didn't even respond with it here when it first occurred to me that I could. But then the crap kept coming and coming, so I pulled the stops out. Unfortunately SOC is the company of one of those critics, so it got the glaring light. I've never really known Tom to be affiliated with any business-- except under a pseudonym in a free business in my downline of all places....
I have no bone with SOC. I've said that many, many times. But I'm not going to let the insulting attacks go on without responding... because as you said there are lots of readers.
Go back and look at the list of insults that I gathered from some of the posts and tell me who's being unprofessional. I stand by every characterization I've made-- even if it doesn't flatter SOC.
We can tear down every company if we want to and that was my point.