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lawsuit against two big time ppl associates

by thomasmps » Mon Nov 14, 2005 3:57 pm


i got an email from a ppl forum i am on,that showed as of 11/11 that prepaid legal filed suit against Eric Worre and Antonio Adair for trying to recruit people to another company.The thing that sucks is Mr.Adair was just out to seattle to do a conference for ppl about a few months ago.And I listened a conference call for erci worre when he was going to be on the mlm mastermind cruise.What do you guys think of this?
I dont know about you but that hurts my confidence in these guys and ppl as a company,because something internal must be wrong over there.

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Re: lawsuit against two big time ppl associates

by Rick » Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:17 pm


i got an email from a ppl forum i am on,that showed as of 11/11 that prepaid legal filed suit against Eric Worre and Antonio Adair for trying to recruit people to another company.The thing that sucks is Mr.Adair was just out to seattle to do a conference for ppl about a few months ago.And I listened a conference call for erci worre when he was going to be on the mlm mastermind cruise.What do you guys think of this?
I dont know about you but that hurts my confidence in these guys and ppl as a company,because something internal must be wrong over there.

Tom


Kind of makes you wonder why they are working another
opportunity doesn't it?

Many people have asked me why I left PPL and why I left my
last company at the time I was the top income earner after
8 years with them.

It could be a serious mistake to overlook big red flags. Perhaps
there is a good reason why they are looking elsewhere. I suggest
everyone does their due diligence at times like this. I know I
stopped ignoring red flags after getting hurt a few times myself.

PPL is a great company for sales oriented people. But no company
is right for everyone.

Find out what is best for you! This is your future, treat it with
the seriousness it deserves. Too many people treat it like a hobby.

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Re: lawsuit against two big time ppl associates

by thomasmps » Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:01 pm


hey rick your right,about that i am sure they will put spin control on it.Another thing i am suprised about is that we had 24 views but only one reply to this post.If i posted i ate cereal for beakfast then i would get 900 replys.
Another thing i found out was one of the top guys brian carruthers who i thought got to the top by passing out cd's and buying biz opp leads,actually took a big group from his former company or companies to ppl.These upline people with all the soke and mirrors are driving me insane,just tell the true story we handle it like adults,if i had big rolodex i would do it like that as well,but the company makes it sound like he started from scratch so whats wrong with you.

I guess you should be carefull who you follow.huh?

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Re: lawsuit against two big time ppl associates

by JonnyD » Mon Nov 14, 2005 6:24 pm


Can't speak for much of it, but Eric Worre is building with Agel.

You never really know if someone is actively "wooing" members from one's former company to one's current company, as people can make their own decisions. If someone in his PPL downline wanted to move on to Agel, they should be allowed to do so.

What you said about Brian Carruthers goes back to a point I made and got hammered for saying a few weeks ago - top leaders *sometimes* preach a system, that they in fact don't follow.

Rick - before you punch in the nose :) - I'm not saying you or George Ruiz or any other leaders here do this, or that you practice something other than what you preach - but there are big time leaders that do build their business in ways that don't always get publicized or taught to their downline....this is a prime example.
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Re: lawsuit against two big time ppl associates

by Rick » Mon Nov 14, 2005 6:30 pm


hey rick your right,about that i am sure they will put spin control on it.Another thing i am suprised about is that we had 24 views but only one reply to this post.If i posted i ate cereal for beakfast then i would get 900 replys.
Another thing i found out was one of the top guys brian carruthers who i thought got to the top by passing out cd's and buying biz opp leads,actually took a big group from his former company or companies to ppl.These upline people with all the soke and mirrors are driving me insane,just tell the true story we handle it like adults,if i had big rolodex i would do it like that as well,but the company makes it sound like he started from scratch so whats wrong with you.

I guess you should be carefull who you follow.huh?

tom


You are absolutely correct about being careful who you follow.
Choosing your mentor and/or business partner could easily
be the most important factor in the decision you make.

People moving from one company to another and taking their
downline with them is quite common. There are people who
go from company to company with their same people and hit
it big, then move on to the next company with the same downline.

The first MLM I got in, I was very successful they went under
because they were not equipped to handle the growth. I took
all of my friends and family into that company with me. After it
shut down, I no longer had a warm market. None of my friends
and family believed in MLM. I always gave them the opportunity
because I cared about them, but I never tried to recruit them.

I mentioned to Dianne just this weekend how we had made
seven figures working opportunities that our relatives would
not follow us into. Even while sitting back and watching the
lifestyle our ventures had provided for us.

Anyone can be hugely successful in NWM, but NWM is not
for everyone.


As I went on to develop other successful businesses, I would
do so by helping my downline build successful businesses. When
I would move to another better opportunity, I never would recruit
from my downline because I personally believed that I was
betraying the people who wanted to stay. Usually 1-4 people
would eventually move because of their reasons, but I did not
recruit them.

I have been criticized for moving to better opportunities when
I would see that the future no longer looked good at one company.
But I feel it is much smarter to move to better opportunities when
they appear, than to stay behind with a dieing company. You know
what Ray Kroc says about opportunities.

A few years ago, I was approached by a NWM co. that is very big in
Europe. They wanted to expand into the US and wanted me to
head up the US expansion. I was initially not interested, but they
offered me $90,000 for the first six months while I was building
my downline to replace that income. I had no doubt that within
the first year I could easily replace the $90,000 they were
offering to pay me in the first six months. I had done it too many
times to doubt that I could do it again.

Within minutes of me signing the contract, they started suggesting
that I start calling my downline from the company I had left. I
refused to do so. They pressured me to give them my 30,000
people genealogy. They wanted to enter my entire genealogy into
their computer and send out a mass mailing to all 30,000 informing
them that they were already entered as distributors without
paying the $200.00 plus enrollment fee. They were to be told that
their downline integrity would be saved if they signed the distributor
agreement with not cost before a certain deadline.

I refused to do this. It is highly unethical, and in my personal
belief it is immoral.

For the first 30 days, and earning the first $15,000 we fought
daily about this. They made threats, and I refused to budge.

At the end of the next 30 days I received my second $15,000.
Then 30 days later when my next $15,000 payment
was due, they threatened that they would not pay me the rest of
the $60,000 unless I agreed to give them my genealogy.

I refused, and walked away from that company and left $60,000
behind on the table. People have told me I was foolish by not
hiring lawyers to get the next $60,000 but I felt it would not be
worth the effort for what would be left after the lawyers took
their share. Besides, I did not want to deal with the negative
and get on with more positive things in my life. I could not
focus on helping my downlines while fighting that company
in the courts.

Perhaps I am stupid. Perhaps most people would have given them
the genealogy for $60,000, but my ethics are not for sale.

Fortunately I still had six figures coming in from other businesses
I had built and was able to survive without that $60,000. But
regardless, I would have walked away anyway. I had lost more
than that in the past because of trusting unethical people.

I hadn't shared that before because I knew that a lot of people
don't share my opinions that stealing downlines from another
company is unethical, and they would immediately start defending
why there is nothing wrong with it.

I don't care whether others agree or disagree. Perhaps I am wrong,
and perhaps I am even stupid, but I am able to sleep at night.
I could not sleep at night if I knew I had profited by hurting other
people by stealing their downline. I do believe that stealing goes
against one of the 10 commandments. Right? But then perhaps I am
interpreting that a little two strong.

I don't believe in attacking other companies because I feel people
could be hurt by my attacks which may only represent my personal
opinions, but if I ever see anyone promote this company, I will
strongly suggest that they hear my experiences. I can’t sit back
and watch anyone trust in that company without knowing the
whole story.

Honesty and integrity was drilled into me by my grandfather who
was the most honest person I ever met. A lot of people don't
like me because of my "tell it like it is" honesty, but that is their
problem, not mine. If you deal with me you may not like me, but
at least I will be honest with you.

That is why I no longer recruit. I merely "sort" for people whom
I can respect and believe to be honest and share my values. I
have no interest in recruiting someone just for the bonuses. I
am looking for a long term business relationship, not a sign up
bonus, and I am willing to leave a lot more money on the table
than a measly sign up bonus to know I am working with the
right people and the right opportunity.

Later;

Rick
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Re: lawsuit against two big time ppl associates

by Rick » Mon Nov 14, 2005 6:33 pm


Can't speak for much of it, but Eric Worre is building with Agel.

You never really know if someone is actively "wooing" members from one's former company to one's current company, as people can make their own decisions. If someone in his PPL downline wanted to move on to Agel, they should be allowed to do so.

What you said about Brian Carruthers goes back to a point I made and got hammered for saying a few weeks ago - top leaders *sometimes* preach a system, that they in fact don't follow.

Rick - before you punch in the nose :) - I'm not saying you or George Ruiz or any other leaders here do this, or that you practice something other than what you preach - but there are big time leaders that do build their business in ways that don't always get publicized or taught to their downline....this is a prime example.


I would not have even suspected you were referring to me if you
had not mentioned it. There is nothing ever said or done that
could give anyone the impression that I ever moved a downline.

I never did, and never would even consider it. But that is me.
Others can do what they want.

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Re: lawsuit against two big time ppl associates

by rhondap » Mon Nov 14, 2005 7:54 pm


Can't speak for much of it, but Eric Worre is building with Agel.

What you said about Brian Carruthers goes back to a point I made and got hammered for saying a few weeks ago - top leaders *sometimes* preach a system, that they in fact don't follow.

Rick - before you punch in the nose :) - I'm not saying you or George Ruiz or any other leaders here do this, or that you practice something other than what you preach - but there are big time leaders that do build their business in ways that don't always get publicized or taught to their downline....this is a prime example.


I agree. I too was in PPL and Brian brought over a group with the TPN merger many of the big leaders in PPL did. Chargebacks are a killer at PPL and I believe that to be a reason why many are leaving. I was surprised to read about Antonia Adair although I had heard about Eric and Agel.

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Re: lawsuit against two big time ppl associates

by Rick » Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:08 pm


I agree. I too was in PPL and Brian brought over a group with the TPN merger many of the big leaders in PPL did. Chargebacks are a killer at PPL and I believe that to be a reason why many are leaving. I was surprised to read about Antonia Adair although I had heard about Eric and Agel.

Rhonda


Same here. I am still a PPL customer, but I don't want to sell
the rest of my life. I want long term residual income, not long
term debt. The charge backs did not set well with me.

But that was just me. There are a whole lot of people who are
better at sales than I am, who would be a whole lot happier than
I was.

It is still a great company. Just not, one that I am skilled enough
to be successful. I believe it is almost as important to realize you
weaknesses, as it is to recognize your strengths. My strengths
are helping others to build successful businesses, not in personal
sales.

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Re: lawsuit against two big time ppl associates

by thomasmps » Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:27 pm


Rhonda and the other guy are right sometimes upline leaders tell about one system whild secretly doing another.Does anyone know if antonio adair is going to agel as well?
Rick your a wealth of knowledge and i value your input.by the way anyone know about this company isagenix ?i am interested in their products after and what kind of comp plan do they have?and is the leadership solid?

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Re: lawsuit against two big time ppl associates

by Rick » Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:30 pm


Rhonda and the other guy are right sometimes upline leaders tell about one system whild secretly doing another.Does anyone know if antonio adair is going to agel as well?
Rick your a wealth of knowledge and i value your input.by the way anyone know about this company isagenix ?i am interested in their products after and what kind of comp plan do they have?and is the leadership solid?

thomas


Thanks for your kind words.

Sorry, I have not info on isagenix.

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Re: lawsuit against two big time ppl associates

by ShepK » Mon Nov 14, 2005 8:42 pm


I've been getting emails from quite a few people to get in on this company, mainly because they know I spent almost 12 years in telecom marketing. Uhhh, didja notice that is a 'past tense' activity??? I'm a 100% member of my current company - no one can lure me away from them. Period.

I don't know anything about the product beyond that it is VOIP. I know nothing about the management.

What I do know is that the service is over-priced. End of interest in the product, no need to go any further.

Why would I leave Packet 8 and pay $10 a month MORE for a similar service from a brand new NWM company? If you want to sell VOIP, go talk to Warren about his business - they sell it, and do a good job of it, so I hear. Sorry Warren, I signed up through a local company - I didn't know youse guys sold the same service at the same price. [:D]
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Isagenix - George Ruiz is your man

by JonnyD » Mon Nov 14, 2005 9:22 pm


If you want info on Isagenix, George Ruiz is your man. He is a strong leader, and can most certainly help you make an educated decision.

Do a search for his name, and his website is: www.prosperityproject.com

He contributes to this forum on special occasions.
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hmmm

by jwhitebiz » Mon Nov 14, 2005 9:26 pm


Hmmm, I knew they were going to sue Worre or take some sort of action, but I didnt know that it already happened. The reason is because TPN and PPL merged through Jeff Olsen and Worre also somewhat. Many people came from TPN and did very well. But when Worre left PPL a little while back, he had signed a non-compete agreement with PPL. I know one of the people that reported Worre actually because Worre was fishing around calling a lot of the new PPL ring-earners, and the person told me that Jeff Olsen had told him to report it so they could possibly take legal action. This makes Worre look bad, I don't know why people are saying it makes PPL look bad.

As far as Adair, I have no clue, that is new to me, but it would probably be some type of similar situation, such as having signed an agreement as well...the temptation of a new company for us Network Marketers...

As for Carruthers, I have never heard that he was in TPN, but he very well might have been. TPN merged with PPL, so I don't see where there would be a problem bringing some of his people over. And he mostly built his business calling various leads. He is known in our company for being always on his phone calling 200+ leads a day. But he did to in home meetings, etc. I don't think he as ever claimed to pass out DVD's to cold-market people ever.
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Re: lawsuit against two big time ppl associates

by JonnyD » Mon Nov 14, 2005 9:27 pm


Rick - Perhaps my wording was not clear.

I was NOT trying to say that you had done this.

I brought up your name, as a week or two ago you posted about some 97% Rule training, and I made a point that some of the top leaders preach and train one way, and in reality built their business another.

I was actually just kind of joking with you, since we went back and forth on that thread regarding my above comment.

I respect your experience, knowledge, and repeated successes in this business - and never meant to imply ANYthing negative about you or your methods.

For the record - I was NOT saying that Rick had taken a downline from one company to another.
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Isagenix?

by George_Ruiz » Mon Nov 14, 2005 9:57 pm


Thomas,

if you want, I can send you more info,

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Re: lawsuit against two big time ppl associates

by Rick » Mon Nov 14, 2005 10:09 pm


Rick - Perhaps my wording was not clear.

I was NOT trying to say that you had done this.

I brought up your name, as a week or two ago you posted about some 97% Rule training, and I made a point that some of the top leaders preach and train one way, and in reality built their business another.

I was actually just kind of joking with you, since we went back and forth on that thread regarding my above comment.

I respect your experience, knowledge, and repeated successes in this business - and never meant to imply ANYthing negative about you or your methods.

For the record - I was NOT saying that Rick had taken a downline from one company to another.


It is sooooo hard to communicate in the forum without being
misunderstood.

Apparently you misunderstood when you thought that I misunderstood about what you were saying.

What I was trying to say was that I don't not even thing you
were suggesting that I ever took a downline. You have not
reason to thank that. I did not mean it to come across as if by
stating that you were not accusing me, you were in fact accusing
me.

Wait. Is that what I meant to say this time?
[:-/]

I'm sooooo confused. [#-o]

Anyway, not offense taken.

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Re: lawsuit against two big time ppl associates

by Gery_D » Mon Nov 14, 2005 10:31 pm


Well if there isn't just cause and Worre is on the MLM Cruise it might be good timing because some of the executive officers of the MLM Distributor Rights Association and attorneys are on board as well. [:D]

From what's been said I would think PPL may have had cause, however non-compete clauses don't always hold up in a court of law.
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Re: lawsuit against two big time ppl associates

by jwhitebiz » Mon Nov 14, 2005 10:32 pm


Well, I logged into my back office, and they have actually sued 4 people. It looks like Worre recruited them to Agel, and then the other 3 tried to "swing" their organizations. Worre is in the most trouble though, he owes about 1.4 million now because of the breach of a contract they had, and its accruing interest.

Once again, I don't think there is anything internall wrong with the company, swinging happens all the time. Its just that these people had certain contracts that they violated. I know Jeff Olsen doesnt think to much of Worre anymore as though Worre is dishonest, and Adair seemed a little off too. I met personally on of Adairs people that was sued as well, and he gave me a shady vibe, but who knows...
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Re: lawsuit against two big time ppl associates

by Gery_D » Mon Nov 14, 2005 10:35 pm


Apparently you misunderstood when you thought that I misunderstood about what you were saying.


Now let me see if I misunderstand this correctly...[:))]

I know what you mean about how thigs get onfused, Rick. I think I'm going through it right now with the Ukranian distributor for Neways.
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Re: lawsuit against two big time ppl associates

by wellnessneeds » Mon Nov 14, 2005 11:13 pm


hey rick your right,about that i am sure they will put spin control on it.Another thing i am suprised about is that we had 24 views but only one reply to this post.If i posted i ate cereal for beakfast then i would get 900 replys.
Another thing i found out was one of the top guys brian carruthers who i thought got to the top by passing out cd's and buying biz opp leads,actually took a big group from his former company or companies to ppl.These upline people with all the soke and mirrors are driving me insane,just tell the true story we handle it like adults,if i had big rolodex i would do it like that as well,but the company makes it sound like he started from scratch so whats wrong with you.

I guess you should be carefull who you follow.huh?

tom


Nobody should reply to this thread because it does absolutely no good for the industry at all. Worre probably recruited people he had good relationships with. So what. If you built a successful business with someone wouldn't you want them to build another one with you? PPL is obviously not as good an oppurtunity as Agel. Wouldn't you want to tell everyone if you thought that you legitimately had something better? Everyone in PPL hates the charge backs, and the company has been around for a while.

Wasn't there recently a post on the home page of mlm.com about PPL being in somewhat of a financial trouble? It is not Worre fault that others follow him because they know his track record, and then people follow the people that leave because of the relationships they built. To me that is great. That means that people believe in this business and the people they are doing business with. Also if PPL was still a great oppurtunity they would not have lost guys like Worre or Rick from this forum. Worre wants an oppurtunity where not only himself but people he brings on board have a chance to make great incomes. Agel has that. JMHO.
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